35. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. I already know where the IFB is coming from, I was indoctrinated in their dogma for 25 years. A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. If you attend a church each Sunday with a team of men that keeps track of attendence each Sunday In our congregation, we do not do that. This is the same pastor who said, you can come and let us tell you how you can know how you can know for sure how you can make Heaven your home. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. You might Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. What if it had been biting you for 5, 10, 15, or (in my case) 25 years and you managed to finally escape would you go back or send a love one to pet it? If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. I can not forgive sins! (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). 26. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. Smoking, drinking, partying, dancing, listening to secular music or Contemporary music arent sinful though partying can only be sinful if you are drunk. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. We cant save people, only God can. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. Anderson and other New IFB pastors have praised the Orlando gay nightclub shooting. You are still required to tithe in the IFB regardless of your source of income. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. Yes, we have strife and faults and hypocrites. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. 31. WebThe following year, the CBF became the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship (1967). Yes, I remember that. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Only the KJV will be used in this group; I believe the Bible, and if you do not believe the Bible and hate what the Bible teaches, it is because your opinion is more important to you, than what the Bible says, and if that be so, then there is really no reason for you to go to church in the first place. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. Ask questions if you need to and Ill be happy to explain more. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Romans 5:8 People can ask for clarification if they want. Suits and ties are generally not required today for men , except for ministers, though some churches do require suits and ties and I dont know any that I do of. Does the lord convict me when I miss? I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. You can read some of the experiences here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Hypocrites! Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. Plus they believe that one cannot lose his salvation, Eternal Security, or Once Saved, Always Saved on the Calvinist view. Sometimes it makes you wonder if they have EVER read/learned anything from Jesus! But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Gods will was for me to forgive. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. Hypocrites! I actually looked up the word just now (Random House Websters College Dictionary), and here are the definitions: 3.) We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. The lost in the world watch us Christians closer than we know. 15. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! We reject any teaching that abortions of pregnancies due to rape, incest, birth defects, gender selection, birth or population control, or the mental well-being of the mother are acceptable. WebThe Road to Emmaus Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church in Monaca, Pennsylvania. You ALWAYS have your KJV Bible with you at church, and turn to numerous verses each sermon. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Basically he was just marketing for his college. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. (Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5, 13; Genesis 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; 1 Corinthians 5:1, 6:9; 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). For example, #54. I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Not of works, lest any man should boast. ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. I found that 10 of those apply to me and Im not even IFB. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? When I read what you have written, I sense that you are bitter, hurt, angry, and possibly disillusioned. I did learn a lot. Its my calling and my ministry. The pastors name is Kevin Draganac. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. Jesus died for all, and if God is willing to forgive me because Jesus died for me than I will forgive another because Jesus died for them too. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. If you think that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin Thats not true. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. It didnt raise red flags for me. 42. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. I must put it in Jesus Christ. I have read other versions of the Bible. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. Baptists as a whole, are pretty terrible. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. Mind your own business. They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. If I couldnt tolerate anyone saying something different I would instruct the site moderator to delete comments such as yours. They bought your loyalty. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). 1. Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. If a child is behaving like a child (i.e., appropriate for his/her age), but you think they are being misbehaving and rebellious, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 40. Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. I am also against body piercings as well. My jabs are defensive in nature. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. 19. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? We believe the King James Bible to be inerrant. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. I love devotions with the Lord. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. That being said, your list is probably only funny to those of us who have lived it. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower. God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 23. Yes. 28 Outwardly you look like righteous people, but inwardly your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. If you believe that all Catholics are going to hell, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 35. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Praise the lord for forgiveness. 4,2, and 7 month old. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? If the people in your church are truly humble, forgive easily, and believe that everyone is worthy of grace, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. XII. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. 6 Dont waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Only a person who has embraced the Savior in fa Continue Reading 4 AbdulQadir Salati If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! Dont throw your pearls to pigs! No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. Me and my husband got saved 3 1/2 years ago at an IFB church. operating or proceeding inconspicuously but with grave effect. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. I had my part. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist OMG! It is the Divine Revelation of God to man and is the complete and infallible guide to faith and life. Matthew 6:14-15 We believe that God forbids any attempt to alter one's God-given gender identity by any means, including surgery or appearance. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. 16 Blind guides! I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. You better be right with God and have your name written in the lambs book of life. If you party, DO NOT drink. Well I am a little confused. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. Why do people think that I dont have time to pray for loved ones simply because I have this site up? If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Independent Baptists (a.k.a. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. 19:13-15. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. We believe that Satan is a created angelic being who rebelled and who tempted man to join him in rebellion against God (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Genesis 3:1-5). Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? (1 Timothy 2:1-6; 1 Peter 2:5,9; Revelation 5:9,10), The local church is mandated by God to practice two ordinances. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. Im glad they didnt because Id probably be ashamed admitting Im a liar. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Read Matthew 23 for more information. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. 9. Great job adding a bit of levity! The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. I forgave him before he changed. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. They had made an idol out of church attendance. 1. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. Since God looks at Jesus to forgive Ill look at Jesus also to forgive. Also, #55 there has only been and will ever only be one perfect person. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? Others are very much unfair criticism. The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image and is mindful of him, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every individual possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. We told to get married. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt?
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