Its mission is to reveal documents, files, and publications that are kept secret from the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly vulnerable persons and women. View Rude Words. I have a suggestion about what might happen to Witnesses in the future. If they keep going the way they do, I see a slow death by a thousand cuts. I was quite taken with this theory at the time, but of course 1999 came and went. obviously its not a real talk but has anyone heard of this? The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034. 20:1-3. But what will happen then? Seriously based on the 'overlap' generations definition Armageddon has been pushed back to 2154! The man . Thieves! The phrase is taken from Jesus' words in the book of Matthew. 1914." He merely uses the ?servant? The organization expanded worldwide under these men's leadership, from about 113,000 in 1942 to more than 6 million in 2000. 3:25,26. And so will many other people. ; p. 99), 1917 "And the mountains were not found. The expression this generation (he-genea-aute) is found five times in Matthews Gospel record, and never is it employed in any sense other than that of the generation contemporary with Jesus Christ (cf. ^ par. :) But wait, if there is a whole mutli-million $ industry for lovers of sado-masochism, then there's nothing extraordinary about the WTS business always taking its faithful members on a ride. The Watchtower december 15,2003 titled: Who compose Jesus family? A few victims who can't conform here and there, but "the organization" on the whole is moving fast forward. 3. Let's take a real close look at the name "Jehovah . They will make her devastated and naked by plundering her wealth and exposing her wickedness. 11:16; 12:41-42; 23:36). (1Cor. Was the Siege at Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Worst in World History? Per Jehovah's Witnesses' theology, Armageddon is preceded by a period of time known as "the great tribulation.". 4:18)"February 15, 1981, page 19. by slimboyfat Because that will be 120 years from when the Watchtower was first published. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/65453/1/Comments-You-Will-Not-Hear-at-the-1-25-04-WT-Study. The thing is that date setting is the only thing that keeps JWs motivated. It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision. (Rev. But is it not far preferable to make some mistakes because of overeagerness to see God's purposes accomplished than to be spiritually asleep as to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? (January 1883, page 425) "Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." ever made a false prediction of Jesus? 32 Replies I'm the guy for the job! Accommodation Rules One Should Follow. The leaders of the Watchtower Organization have long taught their members that THEY, and THEY, alone, are "appointed by Jesus" to dispense His truth, or, as it is put to the rank-and-file, "spiritual food," and that if a Jehovah's Witness does not follow the teachings of the Watchtower, and remain "faithful" to the Watchtower Organization, they are "going against God and His . I think it will take another decade (of the older generation of JW's dying off in waves) before the "1914 generation" shit hits the proverbial fan. Jehovah's Witness 'ordered to renounce faith and join Russian army' Europe. Still keep the whole end time thing like others have but make it much more nonspecific, keep the no trinity, no hell, maybe no holidays. This may seem counter-intuitive to getting rid of someone, but the fact is that if you don't answer the door, they are likely to mark you as "not home" and return in the near future. After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,' says the apostle Paul, '[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.' latest friends, Ijust ran across this. 2034 may be the next 1975, because it will be 120 years since 1914, in the book of Genesis, Jehovah shortens man's life to 120 years. Or those determined to fight a "war on terror". This works for the current GB as some of them will be alive in 2034 but all will be dead by 2154! They were so specific about this prediction, that they narrowed . (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son's words in a relatively short time." But what happens when an elder's reasoning is confronted with . 6/1/99 and 8/15/99 Watchtowers each had articles that drew the parallel between the JWs work and Noah's. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. After all, the gods of the once powerful Babylon the Great did not save her from the wild beast and its ten horns! what if jehovah's witnesses are right about armageddon? The second text to which our friends appeal in support of their imminent Armageddon theory is found in Pauls second epistle to Timothy. That's the beauty of religion and superstition, it has no limits. The Greek word used in Luke for occurred (ginomai) speaks to a happening, and more specifically the context reveals a happening within the days of Noah, the event rather than the days being the primary discussion as is seen in Thayer's Lexicon Definitions: A prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb; to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. Fred Franz managed to publish more definite statements about 1975 than the other members would have liked. Prior to 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses believed that Armageddon would end in 1914, and this included the fall of false religion (including Christendom) and the end of all earthly governments followed by heavenly and earthly resurrections and the establishment of paradise on earth. To me, the generation teaching was the primary argument that I (stupidly) believed meant that the world was ending soon. So I'd like to answer some of the a accusations that questions about Jehovah's witnesses always seems to bring. *** w84 12/1 p. 18 Keep Ready! 18:7,8. Share. Jehovah's Witnesses originated as a branch of the Bible Student movement, which developed in the United States in the 1870s among followers of Christian restorationist minister Charles Taze Russell.Bible Student missionaries were sent to England in 1881 and the first overseas branch was opened in London in 1900. Wreckage from a plane crash is shown on Holston Mountain near Elizabethton on Sunday. beliefs. (a)Why is Armageddon good news for mankind? by xbro 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. 70 Replies 38:19-22) He may turn his enemies against one another. (a)Who is Gog? The account in Luke is admittedly much clearer in putting emphasis on the event, it occurred rather than the days of. I don't know how it reads in French, but the english version seems to me to be just an illustration - Just as Noah waited a long time for the end, we should be prepared to also wait a long time. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do. "The 'slave' class has served as God's sole collective channel for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth. 16:16. Satan, of course, will be enraged. The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. We obey the good news when we apply it in our lives. For further information, consult the article on this web site: A Study of Matthew Twenty-four. Those events occurred over many decades. After 15 years of dwindling committment levels in first world countries (where the donations come from), I firmly believe the WT leadership is aware of the problem. We are certainly in 'the time of the end.'. Share Like Pharaoh at the Red Sea, Gog will learn that he is fighting against Jehovah.Ex. The only consistent thing about that record has been its absolute failure. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it . There may be some infighting about this as there was in Franz' day, but some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! The Watchtower recognizes the truth as belonging to Jehovah, and not to any creature. It's the absolute best way to scam people I have yet seen. rutus produceremus solvendus domino pingit emittetis in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 u 200 s 90 0 p 60 r 80 o 50 d 4 u 200 c 3 e 5 r 80 e 5 m 30 u 200 s 90 0 s 90 o 50 l 20 v 700 e 5 n 40 d 4 u 200 s 90 0 d 4 o 50 m 30 i 9 n 40 o 50 0 p 60 i 9 n 40 g 7 i 9 t 100 0 e 5 m 30 i 9 t 100 t 100 e 5 t 100 i 9 s in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 . Lawrence, once one of America's great. Back in the 1960s there was, seemingly, a brief period of relaxation in authoritarianism among Jehovah's Witnesses. 14:1-4; Ezek. Or will ordinary Witnesses see through the date setting because of the flood of information on the Internet? This calculation is based in the year 1914 as the begining of the last days plus the. More important, imagine how profoundly happy you will be when Gods name and sovereignty have been fully vindicated! I haven't looked at the youtube but YES, it has already been subtly hinted at and implied that the parallel of Noah's day with the "last days" would also include a 120 year period of preaching/warning work (that would be from 1914 to 2034). This does not signify that the faithful remnant or society of Jehovah?s anointed witnesses are an earthly tribunal of interpretation, delegated to interpret the Scriptures and its prophecies. They will then be part of the heavenly armies that will crush Gog and safeguard a great crowd of sheeplike ones. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. 1:6-9. w08 01/01 pg. Answer (1 of 19): Others have already given good answers as to what Armageddon is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. 2, p. 98-99, 1889), 1908 "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A. D. While there may be some complimentary things that could be said of these obviously sincere people (their evangelistic energy level is admirable), prophetic accuracy is not among them. Armageddon: The Next of the Left-Behind Series, The English Standard Version and Micah 5:2, Be Confident of Your Salvation Studies in 1 John (Part 2). A generation could be considered 40 years. Choose your side, Slimboyfat, choose your side. How about, we live productive, simple lives with good christian character, while being fully aware that this system is temporary and being willing and ready to do what we need to do when the time comes?? Why not? (Rev. 4. The effects of having no date took a while to manifest but compare the "zeal" of your average JW 20 years ago to the average JW now. Tweet. So Jehovahs servants will not receive part of her plagues. Still, their faith will be tested. With a prediction like that, would you mind us adding you to this list of hallowed prophesiers? And oh yeah! 30:15; Rev. Jehovah's Witnesses are more convinced than ever before that the end of the world is imminent. 1975 came and went and the governing body had to deal with the fallout for the coming 5 years until things started to pick up again. Before the war of Armageddon begins, all of the 144,000 will have been raised to heaven as immortal spirits. 7. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. First, there is no literal mountain of Megiddo. The imperative mood indicates a command, the singular/masculine form suggests the directive was initially to Timothy, the present tense reflects an action in which the young evangelist was to be currently engaged, and the middle voice carries the personal responsibility to turn yourself away from these things. (Rev. cit., p. 31). Rather, he will destroy it in two main stages. www.opendialoguemediations.com. "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'". It appears to me that the context of these accounts is clearly focusing on an event (it occurred Luke 17:26) that overtook unwary people. I asked this question (and I received no answer). And they will not recover until they make a new prediction That is all history you know already, so sorry for going over it again. New features of the work have required new methods, which has meant revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions, but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Barak and the prophetess Deborah thanked Jehovah for their miraculous victory. They were not the first group to resist mandatory recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools, but their resistance was the most widespread, coordinated, and uncompromising. ", *** Watchtower 1964 June 15 pp.365-6 Jehovah, the God of Progressive Revelation ***, 22 As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it. No wonder this has a dramatic effect on the Witnesses' ability to convert and retain members - in the western world they have still to recover from the 1995 announcement. 8 Footnote: by Nicolas They were guilty of false prophesying. That's awful far away. They can either come out with the date soon in the hope of short-term gains - or they can keep it under their hat until the mid-2020s. The present study of 50 Jehovah's Witnesses admitted to the Mental Health Service facilities of Western Australia suggests that members of this section of the community are more likely to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital than the general population. 5:19-21. Welcome This website was founded by dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. 14 Gog will trust in his arm of fleshhis military might. ', 1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." This organization has all the earmarks of just being run by men acting on their own decisions concerning doctrine & policy. Rather, he compared his presence to the much longer period of time that led up to the Flood. They will make more and more grave statements about the end being near, but these won't do the trick either because they will contain nothing specific. Sure, they've had growth but its not translated into enough cash to keep the status quo. jw (b)Why will our knowing Jehovah prove to be a blessing at Armageddon? Jehovahs Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034. "My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do," says Jehovah. (a)According to 1Thessalonians 5:1-6, what unusual proclamation will world leaders make? Armageddon specifically refers to Mount Megiddo in Israel where some Christians believe the final conflict between good and evil will take place. Possibly. Her grandfather laughed when Armageddon didn't happen in 1914, CT Russell was sweating bullets because he didn't know what to say to anyone, he was panicking and pacing back and forth all night, they were . (Rev. [Christ] outlined things that would befall the Jewish nation during the execution of Jehovahs judgment upon Jerusalem at the hands of the Roman general Titus (Dan. Progressive Humanist Civilization or medieval superstitious totalitarianism? 5 Jehovahs people have long awaited Armageddon. 14 True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materialize at the anticipated time. I am the new Prophet.I am annointed..DAMMIT. 9:26) (Aid to Bible Understanding, Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Society, 1971, p. 642). Therefore, these revisions and changes are themselves fully theocratic, so they do not alter in any way the fully theocratic structure of the organization. Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. Jehovah has allowed the nations time to experiment with all different forms of government. ***. *** Watchtower 1983 February 15 p.12 You Can Live Forever in on Earth-But How? The glorious reign of Christ that shall bring blessings to the world will immediately follow. 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. To suggest that this text has a primary prophetic focus in modern times reflects a gross distortion of this passage. In a similar way, Christ's presence includes the events leading up to and including the great tribulation. To become, i.e. 37:36) Whatever means God uses, his victory will be complete. I am just setting out one of the possibilities. Can't they take the middle ground? One wild card in this time table is whether or not the abuse lawsuits succeed in stripping the new mirror corp.'s of their assets in the coming years. Have you meditated on how you will respond? 11 Jehovah will destroy the great prostitute by means of the ten horns of a scarlet-colored wild beast. That figurative wild beast represents the United Nations. The Bible helps us to foresee some coming developments. *** Watchtower 1972 August 1 p.458 Loving Oversight of the Congregation of God ***, THEOCRATIC APPOINTMENT IN THE CONGREGATION. . 13. How about just being aware, alert, ready? (1John 2:3-5; 5:3) When we show that we know God, we have the honor of being known by him, which will be lifesaving at Armageddon! Har-Magedon, or Armageddon, means the "mountain of the assembly of troops", and it refers in a symbolic way to the capital organization of Zion where Jehovah God has enthroned Christ Jesus as earth's rightful ruler. (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah's spirit "does not mean those now serving as Jehovah's witnesses are inspired. But what happened to the mood of reform? They proudly bear his name, and they have obeyed his command to flee from Babylon the Great. Why did God connect his final great war with Megiddo? Murderers! Figures increased greatly leading up to 1975 and there was great expectation. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. Even so, we can endure with joy. class. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' 37:2337-Minute Listen. It is vital, therefore, that each one recognize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Christian congregation, as well as showing proper regard for those on earth who have been theocratically appointed to positions of oversight.-Phil. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc. (Isa. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. 2:26, 27; 7:9,10) Yes, what a privilege the great crowd will have had to support Jehovahs anointed servants while these were still on earth! There is little surprise that the movement frequently has been dubbed a non-prophet enterprise. Over the past five years, hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses have been subjected to raids, arrests and prosecution in Russia. ***. Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time. 16 Whether we have been in the truth for many years or not, to be saved at Armageddon, we must show that we know God and that we obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. (2Thess. Never did they say, 'These are the words of Jehovah. For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power therefore. Possibly. If you found the Watchtower contradicted the Bible which would you believe? 8 Replies According to Revelation 17:1, 6 and 18:24, why will Jehovah destroy Babylon the Great? Then I read an interesting thing about the Adventists. At the headquarters from which the Bible publications of Jehovah's Witnesses emanate there are more mature Christian elders, both of the "remnant" and of the "other sheep," than anywhere else upon earth. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man's existence on earth. You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets , or witnesses for God. From these also turn away (vv. 20:17, 22,23) And he may use his angels to slay the wicked. 71 PICTURE DESCRIPTION: Dramatic events occur around us. *** Awake! *** w79 7/1 p. 29 How Jehovah Guides His People ***17 However, during these "last days," have erroneous views about this system's end or telos (Greek) been held in advance by some of Jehovah's servants? Zoning, tax questions. TERMS OF USE There is no comparison! 10. (a)What does the word Armageddon mean? If you truly want to be rid of them, you will need to answer the door and let them know. Yes, they have. While I'm not sure they'll make the same mistake they made before, but I would be willing to put some money on it. How may Jehovah defeat his enemies at Armageddon? [Footnotes]Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. For example, he may use earthquakes, hail, and lightning. But there is one important difference between the two conflicts. This way they can simply say that we "read to much" into the explanation given. Many others have . You would likely increase cash flow. Why? Strictly speaking, it refers to the situation to which the kings of the entire inhabited earth are gathered in opposition to Jehovah. Eventually the governing body will stomach the idea of promoting 2034 as the possible date for the end (120 years from 1914 - 'just as the days of Noah will the days of the son of man be'). 11ff); it affirmed that Armageddon indeed was near. Armageddon is just ahead. We also show that we know him when we love and obey him and give him our exclusive devotion. How can we remain faithful to Jehovah as Armageddon draws near? Out of zeal and enthusiasm for the vindication of Jehovah's name, Word and purposes, and the desire for the new system, some of his servants have at times been premature in their expectations. 1993 3/22 Why So Many False Alarms?
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