Does anyone see what I see? Occums razor. Its our fingerprints, the police say. 2. Machismo culture is very real and respect is considered to hold a higher level of importance in Latin America. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 I noticed that youve submitted two more links in another newer comment. In this photo is another object (or two? Let me dampen the third party argument by asking IF their end was at the hands of another personwhy not simply bury the rucksack rather than all the elaborate need for photoshopping and phones used in the hands of a third party ? I think murder is quite likely. That said, tourists wear shorts and sandals because they are not used to the heat or aware of such social norms. or Hi Anna, yes, Im aware of that and thank you for shedding light on that for other readers. There is an illustration drawn on Kriss back in the hair photo. Where they went and who they talked to in order to build up an idea about what motivated them to take that fateful walk and what information could have taken them down the other side of the divide. But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. Gary, great work on noticing things in such detail. I think your initial analysis of the photo is spot on. All comments are held for moderation prior to being published. Take care. Hi Em, thank you. This link answers some of those questions: Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide). The oddest thing about this photo is the look on her face which looks very distorted. ), which doesnt look natural. The fact that the backpack showed up on the bank of a river completely dry and unharmed downstream, with the camera and other electronics still functioning, shows that someone placed it there. I would also like to know the time that photo was taken that day. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. How long does an AI correction take for you to do? Where is YNW Melly? Both of these photos were photoshopped! The blue object looks like it could be a crushed beer can. It looks like there may be some red on her face too or other markings. In all the other pictures she is always got her arms visible, I find this very odd. This tells me that they had a time in their minds of what time to leave to get back to their host home in Boquette. Does anyone know where this photo was taken in relation to their happy photos taken at the top of the Continental divide? At least the trash element and roof structure looks like very strong evidence. Can you provide more information about photos of the girls being in bad shape? But she is definitely on a well-worn path. I agree. If so, it would indicate that she had been kept alive for a few weeks or more. Theres no evidence that animals scavenged the Holandesas., Panamanian IMELCF Forensic Anthropologist, This is from the Daily Beast interview with Jeremy Kryt titled: The Lost Girls, the Bones, and the Man in the Panama Morgue. Or whoever deleted the photos may have overlooked to delete this one as they could have done it in a hurry as well. I really feel that this place is the key to what happened to the girls. These photos all look very photoshopped. If they had solved the case, the international community (and the families) would have been satisfied and let it fade into history. Also, people do not give off a rosy glow from their backs, as can be seen here. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. Your email address will not be published. It may be a plant, but it appears to have a definitive shape and its oddly located that the very center of the path with no other visible red things in the trees. 1 reason tourists sometimes annoy residents. For the next three days she keeps moving, weakened by exposure to the elements and at the edge of starvation. However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. An explosion in tourism has saved Iceland's economy. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. While I was reading over the story again, I decided to review their photos one more time. A well-worn path. Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. Shes ducking down slightly and trying to shield her eyes from the sun with her right arm. The fact that one of the 112 called connected for 2 seconds and they did not redial it immediately, is also well dodgy. This eliminates all questions about why didnt the girls call X, Y, Z. 1. Eventually theyll have to confront these issues or nobody will visit and expats/immigrants/investors will leave. Can it explain Lisannes foot that was broken? Therefore, if Kris Kremers is normal and happy, as she appears to be in this photo (and in the other photos in the series), it means that things took a bad turn for them relatively soon after the photo above was taken. Vittorio Caruso. I see nothing extraordinary in this photo, without stretching imagination. Links that require download are high-risk by their very nature, so please consider uploading your media to a website like imgur.com or a similar alternative. Jalisco prosecutors said that three people still seem to be missing after a gang kidnapped a group of tourists at the Pacific resort of Puerto Vallarta earlier this month. Has anyone thought to look further into the hosts dog (Blue)? It does not make sense to me. Kriss bones had unnatural traces of phosphorus. I think this picture of Kris is a picture of her circling around looking for where they entered the jungle. The remains of two American women who went missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama a month ago have been . In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Hi, do you know when and where this book will be available? Perhaps the photos served astrail markersto help the young women find their way around or back to therescuers. The ambulatory friend began to assess how she might reach her friend, but underestimated the difficulty involved, thereby becoming less able to extricate herself from the jungle. Also, where did learn that her brother mistakenly put the hair photo online? I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Heres more info: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/12/09/research-team-update-join-us/. Photo #509 was permanently deleted which takes advanced technical knowledge, plus a computer. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your interest in the case. These were standard vacation photos that two young women would take while traveling. At the beginning of this video I think I see some blue dye/paint/powder on one of the mens legs and something blue on the floor. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. Search shoe with foot in it found. Id love to know if these pics exsist. And the police know who it is, but will not say anything. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. Could the red object be a bird? I wondered if it was a mirror or piece of metal and her reflection. Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). Thank you for your comment. https://netherlandsnewslive.com/kris-and-lisanne-went-hiking-in-panama-but-never-left-the-jungle/151903/. Like the taxidriver and the two local boys. Then again, my brain may be playing tricks from staring at it too long. Curious if people have found these specific locations and done some extensive testing and exploring in those and surrounding areas? Even rainwater gets heavy enough to destroy electronics inside of a backpack yet that didnt happen. Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. This is something I will surely investigate more and write about in the future. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? There are over 30 fingerprints on the blue backpack which belongs to one of the girls, but they dont want to investigate the fingerprints. Especially the beams and details, and the cave behind her. Sixty percent of these deaths were documented on the border between Mexico and the United . I dont really speculate much with psychic readings or energy. These other comments are just people seeing what they want to see, to make things more mysterious. But others have suggested the chilling photos might have been taken by someone else after killing the girls. Most novices wouldnt know how to properly handle something like this, so it was probably someone experienced with computers. Both of their phones finally ran out of battery by April 11 - ten days after they disappeared. Water bottle photo: Particularly given that you have very admirable aspirations for what you intend to do by investigating the trail on the ground. The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. From Chriss other article it seems the girls took a taxi to the hiking starting point? Hi Jason, thanks for you comment. Looking carefully at her forehead you can see theres only the shade from a pole but her face is shaded. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. Watch Lost in the Wild Season 1 Episode 1. Does anyone agree with me? Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. Even at this point, I still think theres a lot that can be achieved from gathering information and further evaluating the existing evidence. The original plan had been for them to disappear without a trace, like so many other people in that part of Panam, but when the reward money was offered, they decided to fabricate a narrative in which the two girls had mysteriously lost their way on the trail. Hi Justin, Well done the image is really sharp now. Accordingly, Kremers's phone was powered-on one last time on April 11, 2014; both phones wentdead afterward. Perhaps this is someone who had already joined them along the trail, and that only one of the girls was cool with the third party thats why the complete change from the first exuberant pictures. Article about our trip plans: Research Team Update Support Us, Campaign Link: Mapping The Jungle Trails Of Panama. I have no doubt that the camera was tampered with. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. If you zoom in on the picture, I noticed that her face almost seems distorted, almost as though it was swelled up? It would be like a marker for anyone to see. Hi Nick, yes I would agree that the red object above is just decaying plant material. OmgIm staring at this pic. So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. The point is that all of this case was poorly handled by the authorities. Most disappearance cases dont get such publicity, so you can imagine how much less effort goes into them. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. Given that most people crop off the top of this image, people would have missed the findings that I mention below. I believe that the LA Times article is more informative, so Ive updated the link in my writing above. Blue, a dog known throughout the community, reportedly followed them along the trail. Nonsense. Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. If you dont know the story, I recommend you visit the link at the bottom of this page. Yo veo en el fondo de la foto 506, adjunto al muslo, la pierna y el pie izquierdo de Kris, una silueta de un hombre joven, con sombrero de copa alta y ala ancha (al estilo de los sheriff norteamericanos), con una manta blanca sobre sus hombros,tronco y brazos y un rifle o escopeta en posicin horizontal sobre sus manos. Perhaps incriminating photos existed on the camera before and new photos were taken to overwrite the cameras memory files, therefore preventing the old photos from being extracted from the cameras digital memory. Would they really have gone along a dark spooky ravine, which is obviously a dead end, if they were trying to find their way back to Boquete? This article seems to have a crop from high resolution version of the above photo. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. Emilio Virola - 12 years in prison. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? Hi JW, yes I agree with you about many things. I think this has been added to hide the fact that Kris was not wearing boots, as this was a shot of her from somewhere else and superimposed on the jungle scene. Shortly after this photo is when the girls encountered trouble and tried to dial for help. Honestly Ive hiked by myself before on a well known trail by my college and when I saw the American flag waving in the middle of the woods I was more scared than anything!!! (this was enhanced by an AI as someone who has studied this sort of thing professionally, explains some of the distortions and weird patterns in the photos leaves and vines, the AI distorted her face lol and it made it appear she has no arm from the elbow down). That looks kinda like a monster, Very interesting and thorough analysis. The search efforts moved into the forests where the young women traversed, using on-foot search teams and dog units. For Composer Drew Silva, Music is all About Embracing Life. She makes a last effort to wake her friend. Take care if you do go over there. This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. Your email address will not be published. She looks as if her hands are above her head in a way someone would have them if a police officer were to tell them to put their hands above their head. The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? I just find it strange that no video diary or fotos of each other made after 508. Was it taken on the afternoon of April 1st before their first distress call? I was visiting Panama and Boquette July 2014, thats when I first heard about this case and was following it ever since. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). I think they knew too much and someone wanted them to be silenced forever. Very interesting.. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. He drowned a short time after. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. Since they were two young women from Europe, I can easily see the possibility that they offended the wrong man. They could have been a target early on. And the police are not helping at all it seems to me that they want to destroy the investigation. People claiming the floor is made out of skulls, that there is a booby trap above her head, that there are 5 men with rifles watching her, that there are snakes hanging down, that she is at some sort of human sacrificial alter etc. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. Weird. I have seen comment to suggest that they could have made the trip to the divide returned and then gone to another place but then why no more fotos on either phone or camera? This photo of Kris Kremers is identified as Photo 505. The insignia looks more like a darkish skinned face peering through a narrow window and observing the girls from behind some sort of screen. This observation of yours is amazing, the girls could have stumbled upon something and been victims. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. Is there much shareable knowledge about the gang in the area? Its a sect of foreign Christians that set up in the area and murdered 6 people FROM one of the local tribes. "For now, however, this finally marks the beginning of our grieving process and provides us with a path to closure.". The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. I think the most important photos were not the daytime ones; I think the most important photos were some of the legible nighttime ones. Does this take a high level of tech knowledge and a computer? Im considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Hi Birgitte, thank you for your comment. You can even see the shadow of her han on her face. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. This case has captivated me. If you find more info about this, please feel free to share it. People in developed countries often have a more ideal view of what a pet represents. Sadly, shortly after, she meets someone she fears and call the police. The rock in the riverbed is very distinctive was this location ever found and explored? (who knows why). She is not tied up, there is no rope around her waist and there are no hidden or blurry people in the photo. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. Two years later, a 23 year old American woman is strangled to death while walking the trails. Could it be the same man in both photos. Hi Rune (and Stian), great points. I really hope the girls rest in peace and that nobody goes through this ever. Its worth mentioning how the police found out that someone tried unlocking Kris Kremers phone, but failed to do so. In all of the photos, there is zero evidence to suggest that the dog was truly with the girls on their hike into the forest. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. Froon had a Canon Powershot SX270 HS which contained numerous photos, many of which were of the period of time leading up to the day of the girls disappearance. Like so many other people I really, really wish we could find the answers to this mystery. Photo link: Would the girls really be so far apart in dense jungle? Thanks for your comment. Two months after the backpack was found, a pelvic bone and foot still inside a boot were discovered in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Happy reading! . Again NO SIGNAL! Two young women, who dont take any risks, go for a trip in the jungle and get lost in a mysterious way? The jungle knows how to keep its secrets. The supporting pole is diagonal from upper right to lower middle indicating the path is beginning to head down. He ledo toda la compilacin y visto la mayora de videos. But, then again this whole case is pretty unbelievable whether you believe they did or didnt meet foul play. So, if the dog went on the hike with the girls, its most likely that the owners would not have known that fact. They added a caution sign after their disappearance for this exact reason. Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? Life of a stay at home home. Shes describing the things youve noticed on the pic!!!! 2. I think we are all seeing things that arent there. There is what appears to be a well trodden, narrow path to the left of her which passes behind her and enters a very dark area at the back right, which could be the cave. I bounce around a little and try to get to the crux of the issue. I live in a third world country and sometimes tourists come to grief. Someone was with the girls when the two photos of them were taken on the Pianista summit. I dont see any confirmation from law enforcement either as to whether or not the white bones were tested for bleaching. I agree with you that what happened is not some misadventure. It only makes the image look more detailed, but the detail is artificial and can be very misleading. My condolences to the families that experienced this terrible tragedy. Gang initiation rights are unknown these small gangs dont have an official policy as you might see with the larger gangs its usually just do as we say and well protect you. Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. First calls at 16:39 then nothing again for 14 hours? Theyd probably just bury the camera in a deep hole or toss it in the river or ocean. And if suspects were clicking photos, and knew how to operate a smartphone, they would not return the phones. We are dealing with history here. Lastly, I totally see animal pelts inside the structure. So they made it out of there, The picture with her standing at cave entrance is also the same place she was standing in dark way off in background. A man and a woman. Most gangs in Panama are not big gangs with hundreds of members, like you would find in Mexico and El Salvador. The photos give the appearance that they are PROMPTED to go ahead by someone. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. The mystery remains unsolved to this day, and there is still little certainty around the tragic deaths of the two Dutch students. Its difficult to see when glancing at the photo, because it looks like Kriss head is referencing something the ground. Reading this reminded me of another photo the girls took of a branch with what appears to be red plastic attached to it. There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. For the first handful, a correct password was entered. Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. When browsing the images that were on Lisanne Froons phone, I also noticed that a lot of other websites cropped off the top of this particular photo of Kris Kremers. But during my time spending a year there in 2015 (at the time Id not heard of this case), I had asked around about legends within the jungle and there is in fact legends from tribes who never interacted and are thousands of miles apart which regress of some THING that comes from the sky or trees that is not visible to humans but devours then to the bone. That is why the poor often resort to vigilantism. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. God only knows how many people theyve done this to in the last decade. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? I no longer believe there was any mirror; What we see is instead is the lid of a soft food container (you can see the food stuck around the edges). Kris is clearly sticking out her tongue at someone. as soon as u see 1 photoshopped pic u know something is wrong,, the bag turned up to keep the police from searching the jungle. They took a swim before the trip with to local young man the same day they went in the forest. I think this was a setup for the 2 girls from the beginning.
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